Making Your Worst Days Count, How Diana Gremillion Did Just That

Ep #42 When Diana Gremillion lost her hair and her chef career due to burnout, she decided to follow her dreams, quit her 9-5, and move to Hawai'i to start her own business. As a chef, international speaker, serial entrepreneur, and 9/11 survivor, Diana loves helping people heal their past and achieve post-traumatic growth, so they can build their dream future. In the words of Lisa Nichols, Diana’s dynamic stories and insights are "food to my soul."

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Welcome Diana to the budget divas podcast tell us a little bit about you and what you're all about.

Yeah, absolutely. It's so great to be here with you today, Jen. I work as a coach and as a healer and a speaker. And what I do is I help people achieve their dreams, by working smarter, not harder. And one of the ways that I do that is by helping us understand that it's not just about what we're consciously doing to change our money paradigm or to change our money situation or any other situation we're in but also what we can do with our subconscious. And so I'm really excited to share you know, some of the common mistakes that I see people make that keep them stuck in the money struggle, and also a couple tips on what they can do instead.

I love that we're having this conversation because, you know, right now, as were transitioning out of COVID out of the pandemic, kind of getting into this routine of not pre pandemic, but getting into like a new normal. I know that that's like overplayed and overused term, but there's still the money struggles that are there and that's still a blockage that people are like, well, what if this happens again, what am I going to do and just coming from a place of scarcity versus abundance? Is that something that you see when you work with your clients? as well?

Absolutely. Whether or not we realize it all of us went through something incredibly traumatic with COVID Even though we all went through it, so it feels kind of like well, everybody went through it, so it's not a big deal. The truth is that it rocked our world in ways that we never expected and it it threatened our security it threatened our safety it you know, there's so many different ways that like we don't just need to recover like physically we also need to recover subconsciously from from what happened to us.

Can you expand on that? What do you mean by what's bothering us subconsciously?
Sure. So you know, you kind of mentioned it earlier, where people are like, Well, what happens if something bad happens again, what you know, like so there are people who are almost anticipating more bad things because of the bad things that have happened or the difficulties that they faced. So there's this level where we're not really open to a new experience with our money with with our lives, because we're still we're still waiting for the other shoe to drop or waiting for something bad to happen again, or like, we're like, oh, no, and we're actually going to talk about how this shows up in three different forms of our money. Today, I'm really excited. But like, it's definitely something that shows up for us and I want to I really want to unpack like where some of these things could be coming from. So I think that with the awareness, we'll also have some tools today I'm gonna I'm going to talk a little bit about some of the healing work that I do, too, to actually start to release some of these subconscious patterns. So literally today, we're going to do a whole lot together, but it's going to be really powerful. I'm just so excited.

Awesome. I love that you mentioned the term waiting for the shoe to drop. Because that is such a powerful term that I don't think people want to acknowledge. They know that it's happening in their subconscious but they don't want to acknowledge is myself included. There was a great summer I just launched a new product. It went well and I'm just waiting for that shoe to jump like what's the bad thing that's going to happen? Instead of looking forward into know if something bad happens? That's okay. I'll get over it. And I'll look forward to the next good thing that's going to happen.
Yeah, we focus and then it comes from our survival. Brain. You know what I mean? Like our brain is really trying to protect us when we're thinking about the other shoe dropping. But what that does for us at the same time, if we're expecting another shoe to drop something bad to happen, our brain is subconsciously looking for that in our environment. What where's the other thing where's the other disaster? That's going to happen? It wants to prove itself right? It wants to keep us safe. And so by doing that, by thinking about these sort of things, we actually keep ourselves stuck for longer and you know, our subconscious runs a larger portion of, of our of our reality than our conscious mind because you know, our, our subconscious, in terms of its operating power is about maybe 80%, whereas our conscious is 20. So imagine that we have 20% of ourselves pushing forward into a new normal wanting a different reality. But there's another part of us that has our foot on the on the brake. Right. There's an 80% of us it has our foot on the brake and so that's why it can seem like such hard work to shift our money paradigms and the way that we're thinking or patterns around money and the work that I do, you know, so I'm a 911 survivor and I for a long time, I didn't want to identify as a survivor. To me, that meant weakness, you know, failure. And what I found with the form of energy psychology that I practiced was like, like so I didn't even know I had trauma around this until I went to visit like the 911 Museum and literally could barely breathe walking through. I had to, like, run out. And I was like, okay, clearly there's something inside me that like I'm not talking about or thinking about that's still affecting me about this. And we have that the same can be true for our money. There are ways that like, we're not talking about it or we're not consciously thinking about it, but it's still affecting our day to day it's still affecting our reality. And we're going to talk about like, how do we start to identify that how do we start to understand some of these patterns and then how do we actually release them because we don't just want to know about it, you know, we want to get past it as well.
Yes. Can you tell us more about your story and what interested you to get into this profession?

Yeah. I would say that it was a really, really long road. I never expected to do the work that I do. I came from a math and science background, went to business school, worked on Wall Street, as I mentioned as a 911 survivor. I also was I also experienced job loss during the global financial crisis because I worked on Wall Street I worked in the Debt Capital Markets, and when the debt market kind of bottomed out and kind of was destroyed because of certain people's decisions. That directly affected me and I could have gone back into it, but there were also parts of me that didn't really love helping Walmart and McDonald's and Cargill. get richer, like it just didn't sit right with my soul. So that led me to following more of my passion, working as a chef, and you know, working in something that we're passionate about is really, really powerful. But the thing that many people I find don't realize is like we can let this we can let this passion or this energy that we're getting from one thing kind of forced us to ignore some of the health issues or the complications that we can be having and for myself, like I was going through burnout, but I was ignoring it to the point that I developed literally chronic illness from head to toe. And it was only when I started losing my hair because you know as a woman like I'm a little I care a little bit about my vanity and when I'm like have huge bald spots on my head like that caused me to sit up and take notice. And I started to realize wow, like I literally have illness from head to toe related to stress related to these negative emotions that were I think that like you know, I'm burying them or I'm saying, you know, like, I just need to stay positive. I just need to keep going, not realizing that that was actually detrimental to my health. And that caused me to start to really look at, okay, what are the things I'm not wanting to talk about? What are the things that are difficult, you know, and I mentioned having repressed memories around 911. Some of the healing work I do in thought field therapy actually works and has been shown in clinical trials, even where people have repressed memories, people who've been through people who've been a war, you know, veterans, victims of genocide. have been able to experience relief and healing with this methodology. And I love that I don't even need to have a whole story like the things that we don't want to talk about that feel painful, like we don't have to go deep into it in order to be able to heal from it. So that for me, it was really, really powerful in the work that I do. I think I've mentioned to you before, Jen, I'm super naturally socially anxious and an introvert. So the fact that I do speaking work right now is only possible because I was able to release a lot of that anxiety and that fear so that I could share the message. And yeah, so that's a lot of the reason why I do the work that I do is because I think it's important for us to know that even the things that seem impossible for us to heal or get past. There are means for us, it is still possible for us to experience a different future.

I just love your story. And I remember hearing your story about more in depth of how you grew up and your 911 story and getting into really this is your mission to help others and the fact that you're an introvert I'm an introvert too. And so being in a crowd of people freaks me out versus you know, I love podcasting because it's just one on one talking. But I really love your mission because you're on a mission to help people get unstuck. And I know many people out there have a profession of helping others get unstuck. But what's so unique about you is that you have this unique story and you take all of that brokenness, all of that hurts and then you turn it into something beautiful.

Thank you so much for that, Jen. Yeah, you know, so I mentioned working as a chef before I got really burned out and then looking for, you know, having to rebuild my life, become a coach move to Hawaii. And I really believe that like the ingredients that we have in life, they can seem bitter, they can seem sour, they can seem salty, like something completely unpalatable that we wish we could just throw away. But I think that if we can start to extract the good out of them if we can start to find what about this? What about this can I use to help me going forward? That helps us to create something that's so much more than the seemingly rotten ingredients that we have like if you think about cheese or charcuterie or wine or chocolate or even coffee. Those are all ingredients where something had to happen to it. Something had to change inside it in order for it to have those amazing tastes that we love. And I think that the same is true for our lives that we can extract the good even in the writing process to create something you know what I call dreamy, delicious. That is such a
good analogy. Can you walk us through when you went back to that place in New York? How did you face it? You know as it relates to our life, whether it's money or grief or loss, you know, whatever it is just going back to that place where that trauma happened. And facing it and saying this is what happened but I'm still okay. Can you walk us through like what happened after that?

Sure. Um, so what? I've had a lot of life experiences where I've almost died or had, you know, my survival threatened. And one of the things that I learned really early on from my mom, she's actually a doctor because I have a deadly peanut allergy you know, so like, I was a little kid accidentally would smell or ingest peanut and wasn't sure if I would make it. One of the things she taught me to do is be really calm in that moment. And so I learned to start to connect to my body to connect to my breath, so that I could regulate my breath. Because if I if I freaked out or if I got scared, I'd make what I call toilet paper decisions and I call them toilet paper decisions. Because if you think about it, we all made them or many of us made them during COVID. Right? We were all afraid of what's happening. We hear that there's a toilet paper shortage and out of fear. We make decisions that are toilet paper, you know? So, like, I think that we all have that tendency. And if we can be more calm in that experience, if we have something that we can use to regulate our survival response, we can actually have a different response. And so I think it's a lot about when we have this moment where we're freaking out or in survival mode, bringing ourselves back into mind body to really see and understand like, okay, how am I experiencing experiencing this? You know, how can I how can I breathe through what I'm going through? How can I make intelligent decisions instead of just the rash snap decision that we want to make? that we think is going to solve a problem when really what I've seen through my life, like experiencing crisis, like in 911, you know, I think that we were rash to to move forward with the Patriot Act. In the global financial crisis we were We were rushed to just bail out all the banks and you know, prints money basically in order to create solvency and so that people could get paid and I understand why these things are done. You know, even in the in the pandemic, some people can say that, like, it may have felt rash to approve a vaccine that didn't necessarily go through all the same rigors that a normal vaccine would you know, but we're in unprecedented time. So we make these sorts of decisions. And like, regardless of what your opinion of any of those things is, I think it's just worthwhile for us to see where am I making rash decisions where am I? Where am I making a decision instantly for my safety and comfort instead of really thinking and like, you know, I call it like focusing on the waves around me. Instead of focusing on the shoreline, if I want to get if I'm drowning, and I'm focusing on the waves around me that causes panic. But if I'm able to see a little further out, and look at where I'm going towards and where I want to go towards, then I have the ability to start to move in that direction. So for me, it's a lot about like, just taking back control of our mind body response, releasing a lot of the cortisol and like you know, just a lot of the things that are happening when we're in an extremely stressed place, so that we can start to create a different mind body connection that allows us to make more intelligent decisions, and leads us to better results. And so I think the same is true here. With the with the end of the pandemic, we're we're, you know, we're entering into a recession or you know, whatever. There are many people who are starting to brace themselves again, focusing on the waves around them, as opposed to the long term place that they want to be, you know, debt free. You know, financially solvent making, making decisions that they really want to make for the long term, not just, you know, trying to swim over the wave that's immediately in front of you.

Yes, and my husband tells us tells me this all the time because learning how to surf right. And so he says, when you fall off the board and the waves are crashing, people's immediate response is to start panicking to start paddling out. But if you just remain calm, let the waves just take you eventually you'll end up on the shore. Now, I don't know how any of that works, because to me, that doesn't make any sense. Right? Yeah. But to remain calm is so important. And I love how you said just take a deep breath. And I hear this all the time. And I tell myself this, like I need to take a deep breath, but I don't have time to take a deep breath. You know, like I gotta keep paddling. I gotta keep going. I gotta keep going back to the shore. Yeah, right. Just take one like maybe just 510 seconds. Just take a deep breath and kind of just meditate on what's going on. And I think I would be in a much better place. So I'm loving this conversation and and tell us more about the steps and how we can move forward once we're kind of realizing this is what I'm feeling and how do I move forward? Yeah.

So when we realize that we're feeling stressed, again, I really do think it's about allowing ourselves to get back into our mind and our body. And so a lot of times for me that means like when I'm when I'm stressed when I'm in a situation where I feel my survival is threatened in any way. And this can, this can be true. If we're talking about a crisis like 911 or COVID pandemic, or even, like, the feelings that we have when like when we receive a bill, you know, so when we receive our credit card bill, how do we feel about that? Right and so not not just immediately reacting, maybe you like put the bill away or you like hide from it or whatever, but like, what are the actual emotions that you're having? And for me, actually, emotion was really hard to understand and, and kind of identify because because of my experience with a peanut allergy, where like I had learned, oh, no, I just go back to my calm place. So I wouldn't actually allow myself a lot of times to really feel that emotion. And what helps me instead with like thought field therapy and the energy psychology work I do was to take it out of thinking about the emotion and start to feel it in my body. So when you think about your debt, where do you feel it inside your body? Where were you know, what does it feel like inside your body and that gives you an opportunity to think about the debt. Not not, you know, it's overwhelmingness but in a different way, where it's like, what's what's the physical manifestation? That happens literally just from the thought of debt. And what you'll find is that like, there's often you know, that physical manifestation I call it or consider it like a form of stuck energy. And so another way to think about this, because it can kind of kind of sound weird, you know, when you like, are fighting with somebody, and then they walk in the room and like, instantly you like feel it inside your body. Yes, yeah. So that's another form of stuck energy, right? It's like that person didn't have to do anything or anything, literally just a thought instantly triggered a feeling inside you. And what that means is that there are embedded, there's embedded energy that's kind of stuck inside you that's related to this that you're not in control of. And why that's so powerful, is because once we start to realize and think like, Hmm, okay, what does that feel like? We're taking ourselves out of the immediate survival response and reaction and starting to to look at it more from our Observer Self. We're starting to look at and think about, like, what is going on in my body? 

Where do I feel this, you know, and by identifying that then I use thought field therapy I use by tapping on different energy meridian points on the body. While thinking about these things, we're actually able to lessen that physical experience of that stuck energy and what that allows us to do is actually released that so we're able to make decisions more clearly we're able to we're able to do this. So earlier this year, I think I'd mentioned to you Jim, you know, I was I was on a plane where a window in the cockpit shattered and we had to use the emergency masks like, like my total trauma response was like, like, instantly like, you know, triggered and I started to use tapping tapping on specific energy meridian points that I knew would help me through the trauma through the stress so that I could make smart decisions and I could do I could feel calm in the moment, even though my body was like, you know, like, on overdrive in that survival mode. And I think that helped me to make better decisions in that moment, so that I wouldn't make those toilet paper decisions like we talked about earlier. You know, I was able to like help more people put their mask on, you know, all that kind of stuff instead of just freaking out, you know, like shallow breathing, not being able to really do anything about the situation.

And I'm sure that brought up memories of past trauma. And, and just not knowing what's going to happen.

Yeah, you know, you many of us have that in one way or the other, you know, like not knowing what's gonna happen in in our financial future and it can lead us to make decisions that like, like, we think we're doing the right thing, but we're really just trying to like regulate that feeling of fear that we have in that moment.
You talked about getting a bill in the mail, and maybe it's an unexpected bill, didn't know it was coming and things have been going great for you financially. And all of a sudden seeing this bill is bringing back seeing this bill makes you feel oh, I guess all that money that I saved now it's gonna go to waste because I have to pay this unexpected bill. Maybe it's an you know, unexpected mortgage bill, credit card bill, medical bill. And so you talked about, you know, just bringing back to where physically is that emotion coming from? But how can we get over it like well, not maybe not over it, but how can we move forward with you know, the tapping, like you mentioned in your shattering the glass. I'm gonna cut this out what I'm trying to do. Maybe you can just go over your steps.

Yeah. So for every emotion, there's actually a different energy Meridian point that we want to tap on. So actually, like, for example, a lot of times with debt, one of the emotions that comes up most frequently is shame. Right? So a lot of times when we're looking at debt or we're looking at a bill, like it's not like there's this feeling of like shame that we have, like embarrassment, that we don't have enough money that we're not good enough, you know, there's anxiety about paying the bill there can be like fear, sadness, we can even trigger it can even trigger feelings of like, you know, I should have known better, I should have done better. Right. And we, we have these So, actually the point for debt for, for shame is under the lip. So if you were to tap with two fingers literally just under your lip, this point this energy Meridian point is connected to your central vessel, which is it's the vessel that runs from basically like your pubic bone up into your lip. And this is this is a point that's related to shame and just by tapping on it, you know, in that moment, like when you're receiving the bill and noticing or feeling that and the way that we want to tap on that point is first we want to identify like how strong that physical emotion is inside us. So like, you know, that that physical feeling we have when we receive the bill, where in our body is it? How strong on a scale from zero to 10 Is it? We want to give it a full metric so we can actually experiment and see like, will this help me feel better, right, because we want to we want to measure some way. You know, I know that you're also like, pretty analytical. We want to actually be able to measure a difference. And so, you know, go ahead and your own body if you were to think about receiving like an imaginary Bill, you know, the stress that you might feel, notice where you feel it in your body, like what it feels like when you want to give it a number from zero to 10. And then you can start to tap on that point under your lip. Just thinking keeping your mind in that thought field of like, Oh, God, like a lot of times it's not even just the thought of like, oh like you know, now I'm going to deplete my savings. A lot of times it's like, oh, no, not again. Right? Or like, oh god, what's going to happen to me like, you know, or, or shame around, we we may not instantly be thinking about those past events, but all those past events that hold that same energy they're coming up right and that's how we know that we're feeling them. So we can just tap here on the under the lip and start to feel actually more relaxation in our body so that that physical sensation, the physical manifestation that we have of the shame that we're experiencing, can actually go down. And then as we do that, when we're done, we want to take a couple deep breaths just to allow the energy to move through our bodies. So always take three deep breaths in and out. And then we want to just re measure and see you know, like how strong as that feeling that we had before. Because we want to we want to really measure the evidence right? Like so if I was feeling you know, something in my stomach earlier and it felt like you know, I was being stabbed in my stomach as I think about this bill. Now. You know, how strong does that feeling come up. And oftentimes, you'll find a reduction in that and what that allows for us to do over time as we use thought field therapy is actually we can start to reverse some of those psychological patterns that have existed for for decades. And a lot of these things often go back to things from our past that we that we kind of internalized from our childhood, you know, beliefs around rich people beliefs around debt and what it means for us. But I really think it's, it's something that we can actually do to start to relieve some of that and what I find, you know, it always seems weird to me because I never know how I'm going to help somebody with energy healing when I work with them. But a lot of times afterwards, you know, my clients are like, oh, you know, after that I was able to write out my savings plan after not being able to, like actually do that work for so long or I'm actually able to feel different as I'm paying my bill, because every single time we pay bills, and we have negative emotions around it, we're just continuing to feed that old subconscious pattern of fear of shame around debt, that can actually continue to increase it for us in the future.

Isn't it so interesting? Because I see this in my work as well of, let's say, you have a good amount of savings that you've saved really, really long time and you're feeling good about it and then you get this bill and Okay, great. That's gonna deplete my entire savings and I have to start all over again. But when you let go of that emotions and you think about, well, I still have a job, you still have my brain. I still have ways that I can make that money back. And if you kind of map it out, maybe it's $2,000. Right and, and okay, over the period of three, four months, I can make back that $2,000 It changes your entire perspective.

Yeah, you're able to think more rationally instead of making those toilet paper decisions. And, you know, savings is one that comes up a lot around and the feelings that typically can be associated with negative feelings around savings or are actually like, grief and sadness, you know, and oftentimes, we're thinking about past losses. So we think about, you know, maybe it's a loss of debt, like of a person like death might be a loss of freedom might be a loss of support. So we're thinking back on those times when those those things, the things that we were relying upon, left us and that actually can can trigger again, you know, that those feelings of grief and sadness inside us and cause us to make decisions that are not rational because like you said, you know, if we really think about it, you know, over time, like, like, we can pay it off right or even like I always go back to thinking like, you know, I've I've been through worse, like, you know your story, Jen right with, with how much debt you've already overcome and what you've been able to transform, and then you see a bill and it feels like oh my god all the way back to square one. But like, really, that's not where you are. If you're thinking rationally, you know, you're like, I've been able to get out of 20 times this before I can do this, you know, and what I find tapping allows for us to do is to get out of that survival response even faster, so that we can have the the reaction and the response that we really want to have instead of just that, that toilet paper reaction.
And yeah, that is so true, because the skills that you learned over time doesn't go away. So you're right, paying off $90,000 of debt in four years. You know, if I was to get back into it, I still have my brain. I still know how I can get out of it again, if it happens, and it's so you can't see right now but I am tapping gifts it's really helping to just calm my emotions while we're on this call. So tell us more about you know, do you have three tips that you want to leave the audience with and where can we find more about you?

Yeah, so three places where I think a lot of people tend to make mistakes when it comes to their their money. A lot of people don't think about how they feel about rich people. So do we feel like they're greedy? Do we feel like they're, you know, like, like, kind of like not good people like, do we feel like, like, you know, they're not people who we want to be like, because that that ultimate feeling like this, this feeling of like, Oh, they're bad, they're greedy, whatever. If that's what we deeply believe. Why would we Why would we why would our subconscious allow for us to be wealthy? Right, why would our subconscious allow for us to be something that doesn't actually feel safe? I don't want to be a bad person. I don't want to be greedy. So that's one place that I think is really important for us to start to unpack some of the feelings the other places in childhood. So we want to look at like how did our parents behave around money? Was there secrecy? You know, did they not talk about it? Did they hide the problems? Right, and how does that manifest for us right now? So we want to look and even even with like the hard work paradigm where we think like, you know, like if we if our parents worked like five jobs to keep things afloat for us, like they were constantly working, how does that manifest in our current pattern with work and money? So that's another place I think, is worthwhile to look at as we kind of unpack what subconsciously going on for us with our with our money. And then the last is again, just not to ignore this mind body component. So think about like, notice how you feel around money. Notice how you feel when you're spending money. Notice how you feel when you're receiving money. A lot of people when they're spending money, they feel bad. There's like that scarcity, feeling that they're having. But you know, at the same time when they're receiving money, how do they feel? They feel like it's not enough? Right? They feel like oh, it's still not good enough. It's still not enough. I'm still not safe. So why would money feel attracted to us? Why would money why would we ever expect to feel different about money when no matter what the result is? We continue to have these deeper subconscious patterns is deeper feelings like subconscious patterns of feeling of shame, of guilt, of sadness, of a lack of security. We want to start to examine and unpack those emotions so that we can have a different response and for me, thought field therapy has been incredibly helpful. Really understanding you know, not just like, what's happening inside me, but being able to take it outside of like, just how do I feel to see like, wow, there's actually not just, you know, not just the action I'm taking but there's a physical manifestation inside me and that's causing certain reactions that are not necessarily serving me and the person that I want to become in the future, right, I'm focusing on the waves instead of on the shoreline.
Yes, or it could be the other way. If we get a windfall of money. Maybe we don't feel that we deserve it.

Yeah, yeah, that's another way and so that's why a lot of times, if people don't actually fix their their relationship with money, it doesn't matter. I think a colleague, a mutual colleague of ours says, you know, it's not about what you make, it's about what you keep. Alright, so how how does, how are we allowing what we keep to change? A lot of times when people they think like, oh, if I had all that money, the first thing they think about is what they'd spend it on. You know, I'd spend it on this, I'd spend it on that instead of thinking, Where would I invest? And that that was one of the things you know, part of the reason again, I said I didn't really love serving the Walmarts and the McDonald's of the world was like it didn't feel like it would was really trickling down to the people I cared about most, you know, other black and indigenous people of color. You know, other immigrants, people who who'd been through something difficult and I really do believe in serving those sort of audiences, those those sorts of business owners because I think it's just so powerful. Well, we can do when we understand some of the deeper patterns, this systemic, you know, kind of ways that that money has been made hard for us and we can heal so much of that.
Yeah, and I think the underlying theme is that we're bringing hope to people. And we're letting them know that yes, you're in this situation, but you don't have to stay there. There's always a way out.

Yeah. Yeah. And the way that we feel matters so much about it, you know, like, the way we feel about debt, for example, you know, like, isn't it a blessing somebody would was willing to pay us money or to lend us money and give us, you know, give us faith that we'd pay it back? And aren't we doing our best to pay it back? So how can we focus on the fact that we still haven't paid it off fully, instead of realizing, you know, like, every single month, I'm making a difference towards paying it back. I'm a good person. I'm doing this sort of work, when we can start to shift the way that we feel about debt, where we're not, we don't feel saddled with shame and judgment and failure. When we can see it. As you know, somebody lent me money because they believe I can I can pay it back. Why don't I believe I can pay it back. You know, start to start to play with those thoughts and the feelings that you have around around money and you can really start to unpack like, how is this showing up? Why is it showing up and really start to release it?

And changing the narrative also affects our relationships, not just with money, but with other people. And no, you know, there was a lot of shame for me, because coming into my marriage, I was the one who had the debt. I was the one who had the student loan debt, the credit card debt, he didn't have any, but working through it together and being open was so eye opening for me.

Yeah, yeah. And that's a testament to you, Jen. I mean, like, not everybody is willing to be open about it, and it's starting to make those different decisions. But it's really going to help us get out of that reactionary toilet paper place, and into making decisions that are going to help us thrive in the long term. And so the more that we can start to build for the long term for who we really want to be the more we can feel grateful for the money that is showing up grateful that we can pay our bills to whatever extent we can, the better.

So good. Thank you so much for being on the podcast today and just sharing all of your wisdom and being vulnerable with your experiences. Tell us more about the programs that you have and where we can learn more about you.

Yeah, so every month I have I offer free Healing Meditations and actually free recipes, just because I still love cooking and I love helping people with all forms of transformation, whether it's in their life, their business or with food, and it's called the dreaming to delicious digest. It's a free newsletter I send out every single month, so you can subscribe to that on my website, Diana gremillion.com. But other ways that I help people so I do do one on one work for healing and for coaching. If somebody's going through, you know, some form of crisis, they're rebuilding their life and they want, you know, not just like to do it on their own, but they actually want to get there even faster and easier. I do offer coaching. And I also do I'm planning to create like a vault of all my Healing Meditations. I think I'm gonna call it the quantum healing vault. So that also will hopefully eventually be a place where you know, other folks who want to learn a little bit more about energy psychology, but don't necessarily feel the need for one on one work or you know, a custom work can start to get some tools so they can start to feel different, not just about their money situation, maybe it's about their relationships, really anywhere where we continue to feel stuck, or we were like trying to move forward. And it seems like something is holding us back. A lot of times we can work so much smarter if we're looking at what's subconsciously working against me while I'm consciously working towards this goal.

Awesome. Thank you so much for being on the podcast today. And I will be sure to have all of your links in the show notes.

Awesome. Thank you so much Jen for the work. That you do. It's it's so powerful that you share your story and that it's such a big part of your purpose in helping more women and helping more people just get out of debt and and really live life to the fullest.