Ep #76: In this episode of the "Budget Divas" podcast, our guest is Shari Collins of Glasssibling.com. Shari shares her inspiring journey of resilience and transformation. Shari's story begins with the adoption of her two brothers from Sierra Leone, Africa, which turned into a traumatic and chaotic experience due to their severe behavioral issues. The situation reached a breaking point when one of her adopted brothers set their house on fire, leading to significant emotional trauma. Shari opens up about the challenges she faced, including mistrust of adults, church hurt, and coping through books.
Despite the adversity she faced, Shari describes a pivotal moment in her life when she confronted her anger and questions about God's goodness. She made a conscious decision to trust God and release her anger and resentment. This turning point led her on a path to healing, forgiveness, and building a more positive mindset.
The podcast delves into Shari's financial journey as well, highlighting her shift from a scarcity mindset to a more empowering perspective on money. She discusses her experience with mystery shopping and how it allows her to enjoy life without compromising her social life or overspending. Shari emphasizes the importance of controlling money rather than allowing it to control you, ultimately creating financial freedom.
Shari discusses their shared love for books and how changing their money mindset has allowed them to prioritize spending on things that bring them joy. Shari talks about her company, Glass Sibling, and her mission to support and empower "glass children" – siblings of special needs individuals – by helping them find their identity, self-worth, and community.
Listeners can connect with Shari and learn more about her work on the https://www.glasssibling.com, as well as through Facebook and Instagram.
The episode highlights the significance of mindset and resilience in overcoming adversity, finding financial freedom, and building supportive communities. Shari's story serves as an inspiring example of how transformation and healing are possible when we make intentional choices to change our perspective and actions.
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Host (Jen Trinidad): You are listening to the Budget Divas podcast with your host Jen Trinidad. In this podcast, we discuss real-life money strategies that you can implement without sacrificing your social life or living on a beans and rice budget. It is possible to live happily while on a debt-free journey and enjoy the shiny objects in life.
Welcome to another episode of the Budget Divas Podcast. I'm so excited to be back with you because today my guest is Sherry Collins. And I had the pleasure of meeting this beautiful young lady when we went to Colorado. We spent a few days together with some other women. And she's just a true woman of God, a woman of faith.
And she's here today to tell you her story, a story of how God just brought her out of this valley onto the mountaintop. And as a bonus, she is also a mystery shopper. So I wanted to talk about that story as well. So thank you so much, Shari, for being on the show today. Tell us more about you and what you're all about.
Guest (Shari) : Absolutely. Thank you for having me. I am a little bit of a nerd. I really enjoy learning all kinds of new things all the time. It's great. My mom swears I picked a book over a toy since the time that I was like a year old, well before I knew what either one was. , and so I've always loved. To read and learn and honestly, it was my escape during my childhood when things got nuts and I could just read and there was always a happy ending and it was great.
So now, you know, I had to put down the books and open up the textbooks and got a grown-up job, but I still read for fun quite a lot and I've learned to connect with people again too. And that's been pretty great. And then, of course, the mystery shopping has opened up a whole lot of new life experiences that are just fun.
Host (Jen Trinidad): Well, I know a little bit about your backstory, but take us back to that story of how everything came about and has shaped you to be the woman you are today.
Guest (Shari): Yeah, , when I was five years old, my family adopted a set of twins from Sierra Leone, Africa, and the adoption itself actually took several years, but I was five years old when the boys joined our home.
And at first we thought it was just culture shock because, you know, they had come from a completely different continent. Things were clearly different in the United States. , and then it just, escalated and they were physically violent. They were verbally abusive. They were emotionally abusive. They were very manipulative. They were stealing things. They were. Doing a whole lot of stuff and it really just, it was constant chaos in the home and it was walking on eggshells trying not to set them off and my parents couldn't figure out how to protect their children from their children because they had no help, no support, and no idea what was going on, honestly.
Everything we know about the mental health issues that they had, we have learned in the years since. We didn't know at the time. And especially since my dad was active duty military, we moved around quite a lot, which we had to build a whole new support system. And every time you got to, and it wasn't always there. Uh, so it was a pretty isolating childhood. Like I said, I read a lot because books were my friend. , and then my biological brother and sister, we all three got pretty close. And one day. Oh, well, it just it kept escalating is the short version and one day it got to the point where one of the boys, one of the twins was so physically violent that it was no longer safe for any of the rest of us. If he was in the home. And so he was removed to residential care and he kept getting kicked out of a lot of them and just. I had to find a new place and had to find a new place because they didn't know how to help him either. , and in the middle of all that, we moved again. And a couple months after we landed in Colorado, , the other twin decided he didn't want to do school one day and burned our house down. And that was... That was a turning point, for sure. That was, that was one of those tra atic days that I will remember forever. , and that was really the first time that I had to make a very clear choice of did I believe that God was sovereign and did I believe that God was good and was I going to spurn Him or cling to Him as I dealt with everything that had been going on?
Host (Jen Trinidad): So I want to talk more about the fire and what happened after that, but if we can just rewind the tape a bit. So you were five years old when these boys were adopted and you mentioned that you didn't want to make any waves for your parents. You were, you know, the good child, the invisible child, to make sure that nothing went wrong and you didn't create more problems for your parents.
But that must have been exhausting and mentally challenging to a point because if you encountered a certain problem or an issue that you wanted to discuss with your parents. Were you comfortable bringing it to their attention, or did you repress that?
Guest (Shari): Honestly, most of it I repressed. I didn't realize it at the time, but I saw how much my parents were struggling to deal with all that, and I didn't want to add to their burden, so I pretended like I didn't have any of my own.
And I fooled myself pretty well, to the point where I was able to fool them, and they believed me when I said I was fine, because in front of them, I acted like I was. And so that meant a lot of things I figured out for myself, or I figured out a way to teach myself, or I just figured out a way around it without learning it.
I was homeschooled, so my parents did take the time to invest in my education like that, but relationally, I pretended to have friends so that my parents wouldn't. wouldn't feel bad, but it was hard for me to connect with other girls whose biggest problem was did the boy they liked like them back? And I was wondering if my adopted siblings were going to actually follow through on their threats to kill me.
And, and so it was just hard to relate and hard to build those relationships. And I definitely felt like if I was a good child and didn't add to my parents' burden, that was the best that I could, that was the best, most helpful that I could be in that situation. , so every once in a while I would ask him for something quick and simple, but I didn't usually, at that point in time anyway, discuss the deep things.
I remember when we were on our Colorado trip, you were mentioning that you had brought it up to a teacher and the teacher didn't believe you.
Guest (Shari): That is definitely one reason I quit bringing up the deep things as well. It was Sunday school, actually. If you want to talk about church hurt, that can happen.
The Sunday school teacher, I think, I think I probably brought it up two times total and the first time I told the Sunday school teacher that I was being hit and there was physical abuse in my home. She didn't believe me.
She said, she thought it was a bunch of roughhousing and I must have just not liked it. And then the next Sunday, I asked her how do I deal with the situation of my adopted siblings stealing my stuff? And again, I don't remember exactly how I phrased it, but the way she responded was that I needed to have more patience and let them borrow my things.
And I stopped talking to her after that because she had already demonstrated that she wasn't going to be safe to speak to. And I had enough sense to recognize that she didn't know enough to be helpful. , so it was just not a safe place and a lot of people have said a lot of things to make it very clear that it was not safe to say anything to them and that was part of why it just went underground.
And when things got bad, then I just found a way to deal with it.
Host (Jen Trinidad): That is so tough. I am so sorry that you had to go through that. I can't imagine, as a child, what it's like to have an adult not believe you when you're trying to seek help. That must have been very frustrating.
But we'll talk about the church hurt in a little bit. So now let's go back to the house fire. So what happened after the house fire? I know you said that the twin that caused the fire got removed, but how did your parents handle it, and how did you handle it, too?
Guest (Shari): Well, I was five years old when he got removed and I thought the world was over. And then I was an adult before I was brave enough to ask my mom. Hey, what happened after he was removed? And what she said was, "We were devastated because we realized what had happened and we didn't know what to do. And we didn't have any help." And they were told, the best option they could take was to leave him in a home somewhere and let the state take care of him. But they said, "We will never give up on our son." And that had a really big impact on me because that's when I learned that if you love someone, you don't ever give up on them.
And then after that, the boys got diagnosed with all kinds of fun mental health issues, like, they each got about five, six of them. And just there were some other family crises that happened around the same time, but the one that I got to witness was I have a brother who has a hole in his heart and he ended up having to get heart surgery. And he was in Texas for a long time and was gone for a couple months. And so the day that he came home, I'm thinking my brother's coming home. And he walked in and he didn't look good.
I mean, he had a big scar. He didn't look good. He wasn't feeling good. And the first thing that I saw when he walked in was my little baby brother throwing up on the kitchen floor because he was too sick. He was too upset. He was too, something. And I saw that and I knew something was wrong, so I called my mom at work and I said, "Hey, come home, something's wrong."
And she said, "Oh, it's okay. That's what I hired a babysitter for." And she didn't come home.
And I didn't have words to describe how hard that was at the time, but that was probably one of the most painful moments of my life. Because it was just devastating to have somebody walk in the door and I know he's not okay. I don't know what's wrong. I don't know if he's going to be okay. And then to call my mom and have her not care enough to come home was just like, oh, it was one of the most painful moments of my life.
Host (Jen Trinidad): It sounds like your parents were going through a lot and probably overwhelmed. How did your mom's response or lack of response during that situation impact you?
Guest (Shari): Yeah, it's taken me quite a few years to really work through my relationship with my mom after she's been distant for a lot of my life. , it was definitely one of those things where. She had to make a choice of who needed her more and my brother was clearly having an issue and I was not in immediate danger. And I'm sure she didn't know how to tell that to me at the time, but it was definitely one of those moments where I really needed my mom to care for me and she didn't and it really did a lot of damage to our relationship.
And that's something that I didn't realize, again, until I was an adult, but I really learned to not need people because I didn't have any. I didn't have any friends and I didn't have any family. And when I really needed them, they weren't there, and so I learned to not need them and to not expect them to be there.
And that's had a lot of, it's made it very hard for me to connect with people. Even still, it's something that I'm working on trying to get better at. It's just, I've learned, I've trained myself for years not to need people and not to trust them and that's a hard habit to unlearn.
Host (Jen Trinidad): I can imagine, and especially when you're a child and you have this instinctive need to have your parents there for you, especially in a moment of crisis, and when that doesn't happen, that can have such a deep and lasting impact. And it's clear that it's had an impact on you throughout your life.
And it's something that you're working on, but you mentioned earlier that this experience, including the church hurt, led you to make a choice about your faith and to cling to God instead of spurning Him. Can you tell us more about how your faith has helped you through all of this?
Guest (Shari): Yeah, it's funny because I learned to believe that God was sovereign before I really understood that He was good, and that's not really a good way to live. But it's what happened, because I was in a church. It was a great church, but they didn't believe in healing for today, and I was always sick.
So I started reading the Bible to see if I could find any of that healing stuff for today, and one of the things I found was. The story about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego where the king says, "Bow to my idol or die." And they say, "Our God can save us from your fiery furnace, but if not, we still won't bow to your idol." And I thought, "Wow, that's pretty intense faith. And I want to know more about that God."
And that was the beginning of it. And then after the fire, the fire was definitely a crucible moment. And that's when I had to decide did I believe that God was sovereign, did I believe that God was good? And I knew I couldn't reject Him because I had nothing without Him.
Host (Jen Trinidad): You know, he gives and takes away, but still my heart will choose to say blessed be the name of the Lord. And clear as anything, I heard God ask me, will you still bless my name? Will you still trust me? Will you trust? Will you? And I knew that I had to make a choice and I had to decide, did I really mean all those things that I said that I believed? About God being sovereign, and God having a plan, and God working everything out for my good, even if it wasn't good. And about finding joy in trials, and all those things that the Bible talks about. Did I really believe that, and was I going to walk that out? Or was I going to throw it all away? Wow, that's so powerful. And I love, you know, when you're in church and you're so upset, and this has happened to me many times, too. And then a particular song comes on, right? And you're just like, I wanted to continue being mad at you. And how can I continue being mad at you? And you're playing this song and telling me about the goodness of God. So then from there, you had decided, and you had to make a choice, either go left, either go right. And so what happened from there? Yeah. I knew that God was the only reason I was still alive. It was by the grace of God and the grace of God alone that I survived my childhood, and I knew that. And I knew that I really did believe all those things the Bible said, and that meant that I was going to have to put in the work, and I was going to have to fight my way through this. Because I thought it would go away, you know, and it didn't. I thought I could just say I forgive and move on. And it took a lot more than that. It took a lot of healing. It took, it took counseling. It took time. It took a lot of intentional Bible study. It took community and it took learning that while books were fun, they were not the answer. And I did have to actually deal with the problem. But every once in a while, it was okay to put that on pause and read a good book and let myself reset emotionally that I had the fortitude to deal with something. And it was okay to take that break. I just love hearing your story because, yes, there was a time that you blamed God. How could he do this to you and your family just being such faithful servants of God and, um, Brooke Castillo of the Life Coach School says, life is 50 50. We always want it to be either 70 30, 70 good, 30 bad, or even 60 40, but it's always 50 50. 50 percent of the time it's good and 50 percent of the time it's bad. And once you can accept that, then you can start to move on and just know, Alright, today was a bad day, but tomorrow is going to be a better day. And you're one of the most positive people that I know who's always on fire for God and always telling people. Yeah, life sucks sometimes. It's not always rainbows and daisies, but tomorrow is a brand new day. So, you know, now as a young and vibrant 20 ish year old, tell us like, how did you change your mindset from this is a bad situation Yeah, it sucks that that happened to me, but now I am going to be on fire for God and show other people that it's not as bad as they think it is.
Guest (Shari): A lot of it honestly was just gradual putting in the work every day and I didn't even notice how far I'd come till one day I stopped and looked back and realized where I had started. Um, so some of it was just reading some solid discipleship books that really helped me walk the Christian walk and see what it meant to forgive in a biblical way, because forgiveness is not a feeling. I thought it was. And I thought when I have, when I have to forgive the twins, when I have to forgive my adopted brothers, that means that I have to like them again. And that means that I have to let them back into my life. And then, and I was wrong. What it means is. I choose to let them go and I choose not to make them pay and I choose not to hold on to that anger and I choose to release them and bless them and leave it between them and God because it's not up to me. And it's an intentional choice that I have to make every, to this day, every time I think about them, I still say to myself, I choose to forgive them. Wow. And sometimes I say it through gritted teeth. Sometimes I say it while I'm screaming. Sometimes I say it while I'm sitting there going, man, I really do forgive them. And then sometimes it's all three in the same day, you know, it's, it's, it's okay if I don't feel it because what my feelings don't currently allow the blood of Jesus will cover if I choose to forgive them and leave it at the cross. Yes. That was something I heard in a sermon once and it really stuck with me. And so a lot of it was recognizing that forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean reconciliation. There are still physical safety concerns. If I was around either one of them, there's still a significant chance that they would try to hurt me physically, but I haven't seen either one of them in a couple of years. So it's just, it's something that I walk around and every time I walk into a room, I check where the exit is. And then I move on with my life because I can either live in paranoia, or I can enjoy what I'm doing. I love that. It's up to me. And I get to make that choice. I love that. If I hold on to my anger, they make it for me. And once I realized that, it was a whole lot easier to walk in freedom. Jesus paid the price so that I could make that choice. Absolutely. Why would I throw that away?
Host (Jen Trinidad): You know on this podcast, we talk a lot about money, but we also talk about mindset. And one of the reasons why I wanted to bring you on this podcast is that sometimes we let our past define our future or even our present. And with you, you went through a horrible childhood, but I'm sure there were times when there were bright lights in your childhood too. And so I see that you're focusing on that and you've changed your mindset from, I can't, I can't, I can't to how can I, how can I use this for the grace of God, how can I use this to help people understand that their, their tragedy or, you know, their victimized childhood doesn't define their future. And so I wanted to, to shift it because it's so interesting. You had posted in our Private Facebook group in the Budget Diva's private Facebook group, how you've also changed your money mindset from, I can't afford it to how can I afford it? And so I really think it's important to talk about money in a podcast because that also defines us, it defines us on how we use money. It defines us on our mindset of money. And so how have you changed your mindset with money?It's not all about the adding and subtracting. It's really about getting your mindset ready so that you can make those sound decisions.
Guest (Shari): Absolutely it is. And I was very fortunate there because my parents did give me a great foundation to build on. Um, I remember I got my first job when I was 10 years old, babysitting as a mother's helper for a family in our neighborhood.
And I'd bike over there a couple afternoons a week and play with the toddler while she homeschooled the older two. Um, and she wanted to pay me more, but my parents wouldn't let her because they wanted me to learn the value of a dollar. And I was mildly peeved, but I appreciate it now. I can understand that.
But even, like, when I decided I wanted an e reader for my birthday, because, you know, I love books. I love books. And my dad said, alright, but those are expensive. I'll put up half. You have to match it. And so I was like, I am 11. How am I supposed to find all this money if you're not going to give it to me?
Isn't that what you're here for? And... So I wound up finding odd jobs mowing lawns and babysitting and I figured it out. And my parents were very nice and gave me some suggestions. Like they didn't, they didn't just say, figure it out. They were like, well, you could do this. You could do this. You have to put in the work, but we'll brainstorm with you.
And that was, I think that was the first speed and then over the years, I decided to go to college because I love the nerd things and I looked around and I was like, this is expensive. It's really expensive. And my dad at the time was still struggling to pay off a whole lot of things, just costs that we'd incurred trying to take care of the twins over the years and so he couldn't help me out.
But he said I could live in his basement while I went to college, and I would have to figure out how to pay tuition. So I got a job, and I did babysitting, and I scrimped and saved, and I, I had a mindset of, I'll figure out a way to pay for it, but it wasn't, how can I pay for it? It was, if I do this, I'll make this amount of money, and I can put that in the pot, and if I do this, I'll make this amount of money, and that'll bring the pot up to this.
And it was very much a scarcity mindset of, where can I find the money? It wasn't, how can I afford it? It was... Who's holding the money that I need to take it from, you know, sounds bad, but I hope you know what I mean. Yeah, absolutely. And then I started getting burnt out because I went on to grad school too.
And after six years of working full time while I did college full time while I was babysitting. And then of course I was volunteering at church too, because I love to do that. And then I was like, I am burnt out. There is no way there's got to be a better way here. And then a little bit after that, I found out about online businesses and entrepreneurship, and that was pretty interesting.
And then I ran into you, you wonderful, brilliant, financially savvy woman of God who showed me that there are ways to make money that are fun and that don't actually tax my energy because I can get paid to go out to eat instead of spending money on food. I can get reimbursed for the food and paid extra.
And so that was, that was a bit of a shift to realize I could still do that. And make money and enjoy it. And it wasn't a, who can I get the money from? It was a, where can I find it? It was a, how can I afford it? What, what can I do? And I feel like there's so much power into knowing that you can make it yourself and instead of what you just said, like, who can I get the money from?
Because with mystery shopping, you know, it's a side gig. It's a, you're a 10 99. You're not an employee, so you don't have to rely on anybody. To supply you with the money, but because there are so many opportunities out there, you can weave it into your already busy schedule, meaning if you're going to be 20 minutes away from your house, kind of looking for mystery shops in that area, where can I go grab lunch, where can I go get a car wash, et cetera, and then not going out of your way.
to do these shops when it doesn't make any sense, unless it's paying you a whole bunch of money, and then you probably make it a day to travel an hour away from home, but find a bunch of shops in that area so you can get paid very quickly. Mm hmm. Yeah, like here in a couple of weeks, I needed an oil change on my car.
So I looked for a mystery shop that would reimburse me for that. And there's one five minutes from my house that paid me five bucks. And there's one 20 minutes from my house that paid 40. So I decided that I would drive 20 minutes. Yes. And, um, you know, I remember you saying when we were on our trip, like, oh, I need to go get new tires.
Host (Jenn Trinidad): And I felt like you were at peace with it.
Guest (Shari): Maybe not so much at peace because they're like, Oh, there's a lot of money that I have to put out to put new tires on my car. But you know that you can make that money back to pay back your savings. It wasn't like a red alert. That's an emergency. Like, Oh my goodness.
I was not happy. I had to suddenly spend a lot of money on four new tires by any stretch of the word. But I was very glad that I had built up my savings to the point where I could pay for it out of pocket. And I knew that I could easily rebuild those savings over the next couple months while I did more mystery shopping.
Yeah, that's such a powerful thing. And it gives you control of your money instead of your money controlling you and helps, you know, All of us to just make better decisions with our time. Yeah. And honestly, in some ways, it's forced me to be a lot more intentional about my relationships, too, because there's a lot of the restaurant ones that I like to go out and eat.
But a lot of the restaurant ones require a buddy. So I've had to get much more intentional about taking my sister or a friend and we'll go out and we'll get a snack and we'll get a drink and we'll have some fun. I love that. And I'll sneak a couple of photos along the way, you know. I love that so much because I remember before I started mystery shopping, I was working crazy hours, you know, 60, 70 hours a week, paying off debt, did not see my family.
And then once I started mystery shopping, it was like, okay, I'm actually. Working, but I could actually have a nice date night with my husband or take my kid out to eat or to a magic show or whatever, um, on the company's dime. I mean, in exchange, I do have to write a report about it, but still, it was like something that was fun to do and didn't require me to spend my own money.
Oh, absolutely. So, tell me about your... Books. Are you spending your mystery shopping money on books? Yes, but I'm trying to be good and put some of it in savings too. That's awesome. And that's one of the things that brings you joy, right? I mean, there's so many people who tell themselves, No, no, no, I can't afford it.
Or I need to cut it out of my budget. But then once they actually know how to make the money, it gives them the freedom to be like, Yeah, I can't afford that 1199 book or spend 100 on books or whatever it is. And I also know that On the months where I don't, I have the online library, and that's free, and their selection's a little more limited, and it's not absolutely everything that I want to read.
But they do have some good books on there, and I can always go read that for a month while I do some extra mystery shopping so I have more money next month. Yeah! Or, there's this wonderful thing called Kindle Unlimited. I do enjoy that, too. And I, that's, that's an annual what's its, and you just do some mystery shopping, save up, pay for that, and you're good for a year.
Mhm. One of the things that I love is the freedom to say no to the things that I don't want to do and say yes to the things that I do love to do. Like, for example, you know, when we were moving out of our condo, I could have easily spent eight hours cleaning it or I could pay someone 300 to clean it for sure.
X amount of hours. And then I thought to myself, all right, for 300, how many mystery shops does that take to pay that off? But because I love mystery shopping, it was better worth my time to do that than to spend eight hours, probably more, maybe more like 12 hours trying to clean that entire condo. Yeah, it comes down to that value proposition for sure.
Host (Jenn Trinidad): Yeah. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for sharing your amazing story today and tell us more about Glass Sibling and about your company, your business, who you serve and where people can find you. Yeah. Um, so like I said, a little while ago, I got into this online entrepreneurship thing because growing up, I was that invisible child who said I was fine because I didn't want to add to the chaos.
And the clinical term is glass child because you, you see right through them looking at the obvious need of another child. And I grew up very much feeling invisible and almost unnecessary in a lot of ways because it felt like the family functioned fine whether I was there or not. And while I know now that that isn't true, I wanted to provide a community for the other siblings and help them learn how to Find their identity and find their self worth and start admitting to themselves and to their families that sometimes they do have problems and sometimes Those problems are just as valid and just as worth hearing as their special needs siblings And so I've put together an online community and actually here in a week or two We're starting in our very first group I'm going through a couple of mindset books because like you said it is all about the mindset It doesn't matter if it's money or life Um, so we'll be going through that and building some community and some friendships and learning a couple tools so that we can help each other and talk to our families and heal because the most important thing you can do is shift your mindset and learn to connect with God and each other again.
Host (Jenn Trinidad): I love that. So tell us again, what is your website and where can people find more information and connect with you if they're interested in speaking with you further?
Guest (Shari): Yeah, so it is GlassSibling. com and I'm also on Facebook and Instagram if you want to also under Glass Sibling. Try to keep it simple because it's easier to remember if I only have to remember one thing.
So it's just GlassSibling. com. Okay. Do you have like a contact form? There is definitely a contact us page if you want to reach out or you can always message us on Facebook or Instagram. Awesome. Thank you so much Shari for being on the podcast and I hope to connect with you soon. Maybe you'll want to take a trip to Hawaii very soon.
Hey, you came to Colorado. It's only fair. I will see you in Hawaii. Awesome.